you know, if, like, al gore, you have president obama losing three debates, it can happen. but let's say you lose ohio, suddenly mitt romney has to win north carolina. he has to win virginia. he has to win iowa. he has to win new hampshire. he has to win colorado. he has to win nevada. and, of course, he has to win florida, which he's losing now. by the way, if you don't win florida, we're not even having this discussion. let's talk about what we're getting for christmas. >> it's clear that in looking for a path to 270 electoral votes for romney without ohio, we're neither predicting or hoping it will happen, we're simply running the numbers. ohio is -- >> are we going to have to caveat for the rest of the year? >> almost always, just for that. the left is still a little restive. >> particularly fox news is in on the conspiracy polls. >> closing the auto bailout, not strong support from evangelicals, and it's more of a populist state than some of these others. so he can get to 270 without ohio because there may be a rising tide that lifts all the other battleground states,